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zackly
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Sun, 28 September 08 12:40 GMT
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Curiously, in the five Junior (U16 & U18) games I've refereed so far this season there's been much, much LESS "sealing" or "bridging" for me to penalise. In general these youngsters have handled The Tackle better than in previous seasons.
Perhaps we're winning on this. Any other views ?
PS To all Junior coaches I meet at games I hand out (my own) copy of the iRB/RFU Directive with Laws 15.6 & 15.7 re-printed on the back.
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zackly
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Tue, 23 September 08 18:09 GMT
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Steve. See also the recent Topic on this Forum - Sealing/Bridging et al. Lots of good discussion points there to reinforce the banning of Sealing & Bridging as frequently seen on TV - but less it seems right now !
Law 15.7 Tackle - Forbidden Practices is strong enough at 15.7(c) & (d) - but Lawmakers deemed it important enough to add 15.7(f) . . . "Danger may arise . . . . ."
Suggest you tell players to memorise it . . . . and recite from memory !
Latest iRB & RFU directives are attached f.y.i..
This message edited on Tue, 23 September 08 by zackly
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steve cutler
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Tue, 23 September 08 13:08 GMT
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Sam
Many thanks mate - just a quick follow up in capitals. I am not a ref but I have a Law Book.
1. What is sealing? Sealing is the term used for players going off their feet in close proximity to the ball at the tackle area, usually in front of the tackled player so that the defenders cannot contest posession of the ball. THANK YOU.
2. Where is it mentioned in the Law Book? It's not an official term, but is borne of the consequence of the action OK
3. Does it matter if there is (a) no contest for possession or (b) if that contest is over? Good question. You might just as easily argue that there is no contest because the defence know they can't get close because of the bodies on the floor. Chicken and egg, anyone? I CAN SEE YOUR ARGUMENT APPLYING TO (a) BUT NOT TO (b).
WHAT ABOUT THIS MATERIALITY THING THAT ALL YOU REFS GO ON ABOUT?
4. Just because "Panel" refs (I presume your top guys) do something does that mean it is right at the very bottom of the game? Yes. SO YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT THE REASONS WHY PLAYERS GO TO GROUND ARE THE SAME AT THE TOP OF THE GAME AS THE BOTTOM? Players staying on their feet at the breakdown *is* a requirement of the game. YOU ARE AGAIN ASSUMING THAT THE GAME AT THE TOP IS THE SAME AS THE GAME AT THE BOTTOM.
"REQUIREMENT OF THE GAME" - WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IN THE LAW BOOK? I WOULD AGREE THAT 15.7 (d) DOES BUT 15.6 (a) DOES NOT SAY THAT PLAYERS MUST NOT GO TO GROUND AT THE TACKLE IT SAYS "MUST BE ON THEIR FEET WHEN THEY PLAY THE BALL".
Hope that helps. AGAIN, THANKS FOR THE REPLY
STEVE
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sam skennel
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Tue, 23 September 08 10:47 GMT
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1. What is sealing? Sealing is the term used for players going off their feet in close proximity to the ball at the tackle area, usually in front of the tackled player so that the defenders cannot contest posession of the ball.
2. Where is it mentioned in the Law Book? It's not an official term, but is borne of the consequence of the action
3. Does it matter if there is (a) no contest for possession or (b) if that contest is over? Good question. You might just as easily argue that there is no contest because the defence know they can't get close because of the bodies on the floor. Chicken and egg, anyone?
4. Just because "Panel" refs (I presume your top guys) do something does that mean it is right at the very bottom of the game? Yes. Players staying on their feet at the breakdown *is* a requirement of the game.
Hope that helps.
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steve cutler
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Tue, 23 September 08 10:39 GMT
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1. What is sealing?
2. Where is it mentioned in the Law Book?
3. Does it matter if there is (a) no contest for possession or (b) if that contest is over?
4. Just because "Panel" refs (I presume your top guys) do something does that mean it is right at the very bottom of the game?
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acmethunderer
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Mon, 22 September 08 23:10 GMT
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Most of the Panel refs now seem to be policing the tackle area very strictly and players are beginning to get the message. It took a long time to overcome the 'shoe pie' culture too but, thankfully, that battle now seems to have been won; clearing the tackle area will, hopefully, go the same way.
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pauldg
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Wed, 17 September 08 16:54 GMT
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Sorry, I misread your post..
Yes, I agree with you.
And, as of a couple of months back so does the IRB.
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j adams
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Wed, 17 September 08 16:19 GMT
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I reckon sealing at a ruck is illegal as you are not allowing the player on the floor the opportunity to get away from the tackle area. 15.7.b,and f.
Thoughts?
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