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andy dixon
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Sun, 03 November 02 19:42 GMT
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Well, Johnathan, I’d have done exactly the same thing but let’s look at it. Firstly, was the throw in straight – if yes play on. Then what happened as the ball entered the lineout; was the throwing in team allowed free, unimpeded access to the ball (uncontested) – if yes play on. Then what happened to the ball; it was knocked forward by the throwing in side – advantage to the opposition and they scored – try given, advantage from the knock forward.
The following is taken from the Rugby Continuum: “In the uncontested line-out, the team throwing the ball in must be allowed to catch and win the ball without any interference from the opposition. The opposition are not allowed to compete for the ball until the line-out ends”.
The key here is “must be allowed to catch and win the ball without any interference” which they were, however they fumbled the ball and advantage was played, in my mind quite correctly. They were “allowed to” in that there was no interference but they couldn’t do it and that is not the fault of the non-throwing side so they should be able to play on via the advantage rule, especially as, technically the lineout had ended by virtue of the ball being “knocked” out of the line, albeit forward.
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jonathan chadburn
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Sun, 03 November 02 15:25 GMT
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This Happened in a game today.
The team throwing the ball in at the line out, dropped the ball and it went forward. I allowed advantage to the other team who picked up the ball and scored. Any views on whether this was the correct interpretation
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1994
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Sun, 03 November 02 09:28 GMT
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Thanks for the prompt response. It concerns me that a number of coaches on the official course were provided with this book. If we cannot get it right on up to date coaching courses no wonder there is so much confusion when we come to technical details. The future of rugby really is down to us isnt it.!!!!
Steve
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Under 9's lineout. My question is simple, do they have a lineout?. A recent coaching course told us none at under 9. |
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andy dixon
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Sat, 02 November 02 22:36 GMT
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Sorry Steve, but the tutor on your coaching course, irrespective of how recent it was, has given you an out of date copy of the Rugby Continuum. For season 2002/2003, U9’s DO HAVE LINEOUTS albeit they are uncontested as discussed in this thread.
As you mention page 22, it looks like it was last season's Continuum you were given, however it is still way out of date and, in my opinion, really should be discarded completely otherwise it may cause confusion elsewhere if you use it as a reference. An up to date copy of the Rugby Continuum can be found on the referees pages of the RFU’s website.
I’d be grateful if you could contact your tutor and advise him or her of the error and ask him or her to contact all the other coaches and advise them of the existence of an updated Rugby Continuum and that all existing copies of last season’s should be destroyed.
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1994
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Sat, 02 November 02 14:49 GMT
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To one and all
I have a more simplistic question. Having recently attended a coaching course with another club coach we were informed that lineouts for under 9's were out.
This is reinforced in the continuum which was isued to us on page 22 key stage 2
. What exactly is the ruling as many club coaches have differing views. Are lineouts in or out for under 9's, and if they are out why havent coaches on recent courses been told?
Steve Rogers
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Under 9's lineout. My question is simple, do they have a lineout?. A recent coaching course told us none at under 9. |
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andy dixon
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Wed, 18 September 02 10:01 GMT
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This point, and "in an uncontested scrum does the ball have to be put in straight" was discussed at great length by the Continuum Review Group. As the term “uncontested" infers, the ball must be won by the side putting/throwing it in so why worry about it not being straight? As PG suggests, these are aspects of the game that can be learned at an early stage and are important coaching and refereeing points that the young players should get correct straight away.
In uncontested scrums and lineouts therefore, the ball must be put in straight, however referees should use their discretion, taking into account the ability and experience of the players, before penalising players for getting it wrong. At these age grades, the referee should be just as much a coach as an enforcer, maybe even more so, and should help the players understand and to “get it right”. Referees are encouraged therefore to briefly stop the game, explain that the ball was not put/thrown in straight and allow another attempt, and maybe a third before awarding the free kick or scrum. The key here is consistency, and referees must ensure that they allow both teams equal opportunity to learn and develop these particular skills.
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Tue, 17 September 02 18:26 GMT
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Incidentally - do we think that the hooker has to throw in straight to an U9 lineout? As uncontested it makes little difference but it might be a learning/skills/coaching point?
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ballsie
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Sat, 07 September 02 18:06 GMT
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oh so it is a re start
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andy dixon
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Fri, 06 September 02 20:54 GMT
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Please look at the Continuum Forum for details on the U9 loneouts.
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strawbs
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Tue, 03 September 02 18:50 GMT
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Why would a line-out be uncontested? I will have to look it up ..
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ballsie
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Tue, 03 September 02 14:35 GMT
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Like you somewhat confused by the law which state uncontested.
My view is that it is simply away of restarting the game and should be treated as a free pass from the line of touch.
Maybe you should be asking the question of the law makers
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richard uren
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Mon, 02 September 02 21:11 GMT
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I coach U9 and am interested in confirming the ruling on the unopposed lineouts being introduce this year. The continuum says 'In the uncontested line-out, the team throwing the ball in must be allowed to catch and win the ball without any interference from the opposition' My question is, what if the team throwing the ball in knocks the ball on at the catch, is it considered a knock on or should the ball be thrown in again? I believe a knock on should be awarded. Also, if the ball is thrown to the opposition, should it be taken again or should play continue? I believe taken again.
I will be making sure of the refs view before each game!
An informed view would be nice!
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