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jezzellis
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Mon, 23 September 02 23:04 GMT
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interesting points...but can i suggest..
1. start position of furthest foot away from ball forward and in the direction of intended run.
2. furthest away recieving arm should be first to make contact with the ball. i.e. get them to practice running with arm across the body towards the inside player. its hard to stray off line when your arm is pointing in.
3. don't stereotype players to only run straight. encourage support players to straighten up a drifting line or to offer themselves as a cut back runner/dummy runner.
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watsont
- david.kwatson@ukonline.co.uk
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Thu, 05 September 02 16:11 GMT
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There is some good advice below. As well as telling giving your players marks on the pitch (cones) you could also give them guidelines such as run at the inside shoulder of the defender opposite you. Secondly you could give them the guide line of running toward the posts. A tip which has worked for me is to play 4v3 or 3v2 and just ask them to create 5m of space for the outside runner. Remember it is not always inportant for the ball carrier to be moved forward but it is for the ball. Once you start talking to the players about such ideas they begin to understand about creating and perserving space but also begin to use switches and cut backs as well to take advantage of players who do run across! It is a simple game you either run into a space or pass into a space (as long as someone is running into it!)
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jeremycaff
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Sat, 17 August 02 05:17 GMT
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My experience limited as may be, has been that channel running, running at cones etc. all has its value and I will certainly continue to use these types of drills. A couple of things I learnt that really seemed to help, one has been mentioned several times, outside foot forward, the othe, (not mentioned) is to catch the ball with your inside hand. Most people tend to, even with arms extended to greet the pass, let the ball come accross their body, that in turn tends to make them drift. By catching (controlling) the ball with your inside hand you are still looking in and there is no correction to be made. Sounds strange but it seems to work. Lastly, (my first posting so excuse me if I'm getting carried away) mentioned in a previous comment was the idea of getting away from drill drill drill straight straight straight. Although difficult for many younger players, a teammate running accross and bringing the defense happily along with him/her screams out for a player with vision to initiate a switch. Most back lines are governed by the man inside. If the fly half goes across, the 12, 13 wing etc. tend to follow like sheep. Maybe we should be trying to teach our players to deal with the present situation and recognise a drifting offence and defence or not and reacting to it? I'll quit now...
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therugbycoach
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Wed, 26 June 02 19:03 GMT
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Do Plenty of channel running drills. get them starting from a out of position area and run into the 5 channels , or start in a single file till the ball is passed to no 1 as he runs into his channel the rest have to fan into theres but take up a straight line.
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steve johnson
- sehjohnson@hotmail.com
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Mon, 17 June 02 01:47 GMT
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My beautiful diagrams were ruined! Imagine TB 1 and 2 together, TB3 and TB4 seven or eight metres back with 3 behind 2 and 4 further out, then TB 5 and 6 another 7-8 metres back with 5 behind 4, then you have the idea. The 4 attackers are in a regular line. Extension is to put 2 defenders in about 10 metres behind TB 5 and 6, add the SH to the attack, and there is a 5 v 2 situation, no restriction on the play to score a try.
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steve johnson
- sehjohnson@hotmail.com
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Mon, 17 June 02 01:23 GMT
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All the straight running ideas are good, and I think the most important element in traniing is to find the same kind of challenge found in games, where there is a reward of a try, victory etc. Timing works well. Naturally if you want a group to get from point A to point B in the shortest time, you gotta go straight! So put a stop watch to work, I also like the Britney Spears idea...
We put three sets of two tackle bags to represent defenders like this
A4
A3
A2
A1
SH
o o
o o
o o
AND HAVE 4 ATTACKERS PLUS A SCRUM HALF (SORRY ABOUT THE CAPITALS THE CAPS LOCK SEEMS TO HAVE STUCK), PASS ALONG THE LINE AT THE RIGHT TMIE, SO A4 RUNS FREE TO THE TRY LINE. When that is going well, we introduce " real" defenders to create a thinking phase. The scrum half runs outside A4 to receive any outside pass that might be on.
O O
O O
O O
D1 D2
In this way, we are encouraging straight running at the outset, but when the attackers meet the defenders, they do have the freedom to run other angles to get to the try line. Narrow channels and limited attack/defence numbers seems to be the way to go.
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stavros
- stavrospopadopolos@hotmail.com
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Mon, 27 May 02 09:47 GMT
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Which way is straight? do you mean forward? many times forward leads to contact and kids run away from contact natuarly and look for space if a player runs sideways hes still running straight all be it latraly. Contact avoidence vision creation of space and support are key areas we coach yes the principles of rugby are go forward support recycle and apply pressure but sometimes the best way froward is to go sideways first latrel thinking helps tag rugby introduces follow the player with the ball a good start for kids games such as tig, tig & tackle (tag or touch)are good warm ups dont be in to much of a hurry to mak 8 year olds play an adult structured game let them have fun give them guidence and a structure to play around
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funsize
- rugby@bunn.fslife.co.uk
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Fri, 03 May 02 13:32 GMT
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I personally find a bag of jelly babies held at the other end of the channel helps...(!!) Or, in the case of our U12's a picture of Britney Spears....
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scorpheus
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Tue, 26 March 02 07:23 GMT
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Thinks this is all too complicated, for kids. They need simple things, they can quickly understand as DO in training.
To bang it home, just run repeated passing drills which require each ball receiver to:-
a) Start with his outside foot forward
b) See the pass coming from BEHIND the
b) End-up (after catching the pass) IN
FRONT of the previous ball passer.
Running such drills parallel to a touch line will show the kids just how much space this creates outside them.
This forces the receivers to run from OUT to in.
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scorpheus
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Tue, 26 March 02 07:23 GMT
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Thinks this is all too complicated, for kids. They need simple things, they can quickly understand as DO in training.
To bang it home, just run repeated passing drills which require each ball receiver to:-
a) Start with his outside foot forward
b) See the pass coming from BEHIND the
b) End-up (after catching the pass) IN
FRONT of the previous ball passer.
Running such drills parallel to a touch line will show the kids just how much space this creates outside them.
This forces the receivers to run from OUT to in.
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nthharbourkid
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Mon, 25 March 02 22:52 GMT
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The channel run is a good one i was assistant coach of a U14 league team in NZ, we would set cones down the field and get two guys to race each other, get the two players to start running another player will pass the ball to them, this makes it feel like they are hitting the line then let them run 20m or so.
Another was to get the entire backline lined up opposite guys with tackle bags(players), dummy halve starts the move by passing the ball the all in turn run 5m as soon as they hit the bag or get close (depending what you want the players to learn)pass onto the player next to them and so on till it gets to the last player who sidesteps the last bag (player) to score.
But make sure each player runs at their opp and doesn't deviate hopefully this will have the same effect on the field.
Just a though guys.
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whegan
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Mon, 25 March 02 10:40 GMT
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True Andrew, but it depends which age group you are coaching! It is all well and good coaching lines of running to teenagers and seniors, but it is very important to train youngsters to run straight first and foremost and keep the space outside for the wingers rather than drift into his space!
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andrewboyce
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Sun, 24 March 02 11:26 GMT
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surely the problem (or solution) is not in getting a whole backline to run in predictable straight lines, but to avoid the whole back line drifting across. The solution is encourage runners off of a drifting three-quarter to straighten the line, and similarly runners off of a ball-carrier on an outside line to cut a shorter angle. Lets not become predictable. A.B.
This message edited on Sun, 24 March 02 by andrewboyce
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bootneck
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Tue, 19 March 02 12:55 GMT
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Very good point - still interested in more ideas on this point.
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chasb
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Tue, 19 March 02 11:35 GMT
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Not a true experiment but post Christmas we had no games but held instead a joint minis/junior training session for those boys that turned out.
Mostly it was fun and games but we did carry out one element with all of the ages present. (U8's, -> U12's, U13's, and U14's.)
All the age groups lined up on the half way line in groups of four and were given a pass from a coach to run onto all the move required was for each player to run at full speed)approx 5m ball in hand and just give a simple pass along the line.
First run through was passing to the left and the boys were told to score a try wherever they crossed the line.
A cone was dropped where each try was scored, and different colours were used for each age group.
Second run was passing to the right and again cones marked where the tries were scored.
The trend was that the younger the players the further towards touch the try was scored and this was more pronouced when passing to the "weaker" right hand side.
Only one age group consisistently scored between the posts and ths 15M line.
All of the others scored between the 15M and 5M going to the left and 15M to touch when going to the right.
The only team to buck the trend of crabbing across were our U13's who have been coached to "straighten Up!!!!!"
by thier coach who is an ex centre since they started playing the game.
Once we put tackle bags up as "opposition" all of the groups managed to score between the posts and 15m line.
Spatial awareness without visual reference points is not easily coached and it is a slog but until you can instil the basics or running straight when in possesion other more complex movements become almost impossible.
This message edited on Tue, 19 March 02 by NBH
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bootneck
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Fri, 15 February 02 15:30 GMT
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I would be interested to hear from those involved in at any level.
Give a player a ball - on any lateral line any where on the pitch and tell him to run the try line.
Mark where he starts and where he crosses the line.
Was it straight - we are conducting real live research here!
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dropout
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Tue, 05 February 02 15:25 GMT
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Best way I think is to work in channels and arrange a practice so that the players will only succeed if they do run straight. My favourite is the fan working down a 30m channel about 10m wide. Start them in Indian file (say 4 players per group) and give them a target across the grid where the outside player must finish. Realign when last player has ball and work back across the channel passing off the other hand. Encourages good alignment, quick hands and the need to run straight, and particularly take that important step in when they receive a pass. U9s and upwards should be able to handle this, but really any age group will benefit.
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bootneck
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Mon, 04 February 02 12:19 GMT
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Must agee with the previous post - main failure in senior backs!!
trouble with youngsters is that they have limited perception - either of reality (joke!) or of space. Spacial awareness is a hard one to get over in minds that are still developing.
I am not a beliver in repetition for the sake of it - but in this may be an expecption. The only down side of the 'go forward mantra' is that so we runm the risk of limiting options later in development (ask billy Whiz to run straight ALL the time?).
Channel Drills, Reference points, placement will all help - just takes time.
When you get adavanced you could try illustrating the ease of the slide defence and how lateral running actually helps the defence not the attack - but with U9's this may be hard to get over!!!!
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dale lyon
- dale.lyon@blueyonder.co.uk
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Mon, 28 January 02 22:31 GMT
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Further more the old adage of
"outside foot forward" forcing the first step to be a straightening run still holds true.
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dale lyon
- dale.lyon@blueyonder.co.uk
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Mon, 28 January 02 13:49 GMT
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0 0 0 0 0 sh
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sorry wasn't sure on how it would appear !!
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dale lyon
- dale.lyon@blueyonder.co.uk
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Mon, 28 January 02 13:48 GMT
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I would suggest that if you have access to a running track take your back division onto that and run through some of your handelling drills this will show the players concerned how much their deviating from the straight line.
If you cannot access a running track area possibly your groundsman could mark out some tram lines on your training paddock or if all else fails place your back division on marker cones and place similar cones about 20 metres straight ahead of them and ask them to focus on these cones as they are heading towards them during the handelling move.
Another good drill is Channel Running:-
Set up 4 or 5 tackle bags in a line with 4 or 5 players facing them (the distance that these players are from the bags affects the pressure put on the players pass. Have scrum half in line with the tackle bags supplying ball to the players facing the bags.
sh 0 0 0 0 0
X X X X X
who must hold their line (on the bag) to simulate keeping the defender honest. Thus allowing the last ball carrying man to step the last man (bag).
A progression of this is to line up on the "outside shoulder" of the bag, attacking the gap with the last man being set on the outside break
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whegan
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Mon, 28 January 02 13:07 GMT
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the only way I can suggest is the way that we are training at our club! We do NZ squares in warm ups and training but we make sure that the ball carrier runs straight a the cone rather than drifting of deviating from the to the cone! Enforce it amongst the players and basically put thier places in the side at jeapody if they dont run straight! At junior level it is so important to install basic rugby values to maximise youngsters potential! If that means that you may loose more matches by taking some of your best players out because of zig zag running styles then so be it, it will be worth it in the long run for your club!
This message edited on Mon, 28 January 02 by Whegan
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glasgow
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Mon, 28 January 02 11:17 GMT
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I coach a senior team up in Glasgow and have the same problem with players running sideways. If anyone can help please do.
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superted
- djb333@sahmnet.ae
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Mon, 28 January 02 08:45 GMT
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Has anyone got any good ideas on how to teach U9 - U11 kids to run straight.
Patience is one thing i have but i am running out of ideas.
Swing Low.
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