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superted
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Thu, 20 December 01 11:03 GMT
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I READ WITH INTEREST THE STARTING AGE OF YOUR MINI'S. IN NEW ZEALAND THEY DO EXACTLY THIS & THAT'S WHY THIER NATIONAL GAME IS RUGBY.THEIR COACHING STRUCTURE IS EXTREMELY WELL PLANNED & YOU FIND 7YRS OLD ONWARDS HAVE A HIGH UNDERSTANDING OF TECHNIQUES ETC. LET ALONE ENJOYMENT.KEEP ON RUCKING.
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superted
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Thu, 20 December 01 11:03 GMT
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I READ WITH INTEREST THE STARTING AGE OF YOUR MINI'S. IN NEW ZEALAND THEY DO EXACTLY THIS & THAT'S WHY THIER NATIONAL GAME IS RUGBY.THEIR COACHING STRUCTURE IS EXTREMELY WELL PLANNED & YOU FIND 7YRS OLD ONWARDS HAVE A HIGH UNDERSTANDING OF TECHNIQUES ETC. LET ALONE ENJOYMENT.KEEP ON RUCKING.
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Rock on Tommy!
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russ
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Sun, 25 November 01 13:08 GMT
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In an ideal world we would have rugby and football running hand in hand, but until we can prove that to the masses that rugby is an equal or better than football I`m afraid we will be the poor cousins, even though we are world leaders in rugby (top 3) and in football we are struggling to get into the top 10.
This message edited on Sun, 25 November 01 by RUSS
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kev owen
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Sat, 24 November 01 21:40 GMT
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You are right of course.....get em interested at Primary school level and hopefully keep em! Perhaps I should have said that we also run sessions in the primary schools too. These are co-ordinated by the senior coaches and the sessions run by members of our U17 sides who have opted to take the coaching courses. With this 'early years' intoduction to rugby,players are easier to keep when they move to secondary schools, also they have a grounding in the basics of the game.
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kevowen
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Sat, 24 November 01 21:40 GMT
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You are right of course.....get em interested at Primary school level and hopefully keep em! Perhaps I should have said that we also run sessions in the primary schools too. These are co-ordinated by the senior coaches and the sessions run by members of our U17 sides who have opted to take the coaching courses. With this 'early years' intoduction to rugby,players are easier to keep when they move to secondary schools, also they have a grounding in the basics of the game.
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glenn01
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Sat, 17 November 01 19:14 GMT
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You talk of grammar school rugby, but surley the root is infant and junior schools, before they discover fotball clubs. My club takes players at three and four years old, football does not start till the players are seven and eight. Lets work towards rubgy being the first game the children talk about. I ran a Foundation course in a local school, they khow teach rugby from reception to year six, infant/ junior.
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kev owen
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Sat, 17 November 01 11:34 GMT
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Indeed the schools do have a lot of responsibility in promoting our sport. Our main 'feeder' school Vermuyden' (formerly Goole Grammar school)in years past had a full rugby fixture list and were able to field teams in every age group. These days however due to changes in the national curriculum, rugby it seems takes a back seat and as you say 'KISS BALL' is the more predominant sport taught.
Only by constant 'nagging' by our youth section members who attend the school has the sport made a come-back. Goole RUFC for their part have forged ever closer links, both the EY/YDO and our own coaches regularly visit the school to give extra curricular training sessions. Our ongoing aim is to once again see the school participating in country wide fixtures, and through this avenue glean more players into the Club ranks.
It is an uphill struggle, but already we are seeing the results of our efforts in attendances at Sunday morning sessions at the Club.Also where once I had to go 'cap in hand' to the senior section of the club for help in extra curricular ventures (with very little success), they now come to ME wanting to help!
The school itself can now field teams in yrs 8,9 and 10. To compliment this we arranged and hosted inter school tournaments to run in conjunction with the YDO training sessions. Things are looking good!
This message edited on Sat, 17 November 01 by Kev Owen
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We've done just about nothin' and we're running out of ideas!
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kevowen
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Sat, 17 November 01 11:34 GMT
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Indeed the schools do have a lot of responsibility in promoting our sport. Our main 'feeder' school Vermuyden' (formerly Goole Grammar school)in years past had a full rugby fixture list and were able to field teams in every age group. These days however due to changes in the national curriculum, rugby it seems takes a back seat and as you say 'KISS BALL' is the more predominant sport taught.
Only by constant 'nagging' by our youth section members who attend the school has the sport made a come-back. Goole RUFC for their part have forged ever closer links, both the EY/YDO and our own coaches regularly visit the school to give extra curricular training sessions. Our ongoing aim is to once again see the school participating in country wide fixtures, and through this avenue glean more players into the Club ranks.
It is an uphill struggle, but already we are seeing the results of our efforts in attendances at Sunday morning sessions at the Club.Also where once I had to go 'cap in hand' to the senior section of the club for help in extra curricular ventures (with very little success), they now come to ME wanting to help!
The school itself can now field teams in yrs 8,9 and 10. To compliment this we arranged and hosted inter school tournaments to run in conjunction with the YDO training sessions. Things are looking good!
This message edited on Sat, 17 November 01 by Kev Owen
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We've done just about nothin' and we're running out of ideas!
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russ
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Thu, 15 November 01 22:48 GMT
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I find that if you give the players a problem and with a bit of guidance let them solve it. At the beging of pre season training we do some team building tasks just to get them thinking. As it has already been said as a coach you must keep training sessions intresting, fun and demanding so that we can keep players intersted and hopefully encourage new players to come in.
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scorpheus
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Thu, 15 November 01 20:08 GMT
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From international experience, I can say with certainty that ONLY PEOPLE WITH NO IMAGINATION & WHO CAN'T COACH PROMOTE BORING RUGBY.
My recommendation is try everything and anything you think may be legal.
The best fun you can have as a coach is to try to stretch the players and find their limits.
Years ago, as a coach of junior rugby, I tried this (cos I didn't what else to do, then) and the players developed so well that the side that won 239 out of 240 games and produced 4 Junior internationals (3 are well known names, still playing at top level, now).
I want to emphasise that it wasn't MY coaching (I wasn't good enough then). It was the players finding new limits, within a regime which encouraged adventure and creativity.
I was well supported/encouraged by the head coach of the club, who was one, Clive Woodward.
Go on. Have a go!
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scorpheus
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Thu, 15 November 01 20:08 GMT
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From international experience, I can say with certainty that ONLY PEOPLE WITH NO IMAGINATION & WHO CAN'T COACH PROMOTE BORING RUGBY.
My recommendation is try everything and anything you think may be legal.
The best fun you can have as a coach is to try to stretch the players and find their limits.
Years ago, as a coach of junior rugby, I tried this (cos I didn't what else to do, then) and the players developed so well that the side that won 239 out of 240 games and produced 4 Junior internationals (3 are well known names, still playing at top level, now).
I want to emphasise that it wasn't MY coaching (I wasn't good enough then). It was the players finding new limits, within a regime which encouraged adventure and creativity.
I was well supported/encouraged by the head coach of the club, who was one, Clive Woodward.
Go on. Have a go!
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glenn01
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Thu, 15 November 01 17:09 GMT
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I coach mini/junior rugby in local schools and at the town rugby club. The county we are in is running a pilot project using tag belts for our under 7
's and under 8's teams. I also use them in junior schools to train children up to yr 6 (10 yr olds). If you can get hold of an adult kit they are a great way to teach players to run at space, as the object is to avoid having the tag pulled off, thus having to pass the ball. They can still be used to draw in the oppersition as in a contact game. They are also a great way of improving fitness as they create a very fast running game. They are also a lot of fun. I think the kits cost around £100 pounds but they are well worth the money. One last thing, they are great for pre season training as players should stay on there feet while using them, avoiding injuries due to hard ground.
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russ
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Mon, 12 November 01 21:24 GMT
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I agree with what you are saying but don`t you think that the schools have a role to play in this. I would love to see a complete youth section of all ages in our clubs ( big or small ) as the key to rugby is to keep them intrested and if our glorious sport is to compete with KISS BALL we must try to encourage the youth to play as does KISS BALL. your thoughts?
This message edited on Mon, 12 November 01 by RUSS
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kev owen
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Sun, 11 November 01 00:19 GMT
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I totally agree with your sentiments on the need to coach contact.
My point (although long winded and vague) was that too few Senior members of many clubs feel the need to get involved with the 'upbringing' of their Minis/juniors sides. Their philosophy is that "I play 80 minutes each week and train twice weekly thats me lot". Many give nary a thought to who it will be playing for their team after they get to old to play themselves. In 'small town' clubs such as mine the need for a thriving youth section is consistant with the clubs survival. In my experience it has been found that the Juniors/minis are barely tolerated as a neccessary evil, their only saving grace being that without a junior section the club would face a hefty Rates demand! I'm glad to say this attitude is changing at our club(it took a while!)and things are improving that benefit the club as a whole. Unfortunately talking to other clubs junior bodies, this isn't the case at their club, and the club is suffering because of it.
This message edited on Sun, 11 November 01 by Kev Owen
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kevowen
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Sun, 11 November 01 00:19 GMT
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I totally agree with your sentiments on the need to coach contact.
My point (although long winded and vague) was that too few Senior members of many clubs feel the need to get involved with the 'upbringing' of their Minis/juniors sides. Their philosophy is that "I play 80 minutes each week and train twice weekly thats me lot". Many give nary a thought to who it will be playing for their team after they get to old to play themselves. In 'small town' clubs such as mine the need for a thriving youth section is consistant with the clubs survival. In my experience it has been found that the Juniors/minis are barely tolerated as a neccessary evil, their only saving grace being that without a junior section the club would face a hefty Rates demand! I'm glad to say this attitude is changing at our club(it took a while!)and things are improving that benefit the club as a whole. Unfortunately talking to other clubs junior bodies, this isn't the case at their club, and the club is suffering because of it.
This message edited on Sun, 11 November 01 by Kev Owen
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We've done just about nothin' and we're running out of ideas!
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russ
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Sat, 10 November 01 20:17 GMT
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Kev, as an adult coach to an "old school" team I`m slowly but surely bringing them round to the idea of avoiding contact, but don`t get me wrong there is and always will be a need to coach contact just purely because this is the nature of the game.
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kev owen
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Sat, 10 November 01 17:23 GMT
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After attending yet another seminar on the subject of playing methods and the way forward (in the eyes of the "Establishment")Returning to my club I attempted to impart the views I had gleaned from the meeting to those concerned with coaching our senior sides. Imagine my dismay as I was faced with such utter 'closed mindedness'by those people charged with the responsibility of sustaining our teams performances against tougher and more 'professional sides' in our league(Yorks2 east)
Past ethos of running into contact,hitting the deck,presenting ball back,picking/driving etc were considered the accepted way of playing. NO THOUGHT OF avoiding CONTACT OR RELEASING THE BALL in CONTACT TO SUPPORT was to be entertained by those supposedly 'in the know'.
Talk about playing 60s 'straight down the middle' rugby in the 21st Century!
ANYWAY.......after losing out to some more forward thinking sides, we actually began to accept that the game is not only about contact but indeed the avoidance of the breakdown scenario! One or two new drills appeared in the coaching session, and we are now enjoying a greater amount of success against opposition sides. Our game is now more flowing in its makeup, and crowd attendances at matches are improving as is the general feeling of well being at the club.
My point?..........Get involved with your Juniors....they are your 'lifes blood!'
There is now regular and meaningful dialougue between the Minis/juniors and our Senior club. Exchanges of training methods and a greater involvement of senior players in the coaching of the youngsters is now commonplace. Our young player base has increased from 40 to nearly 120 in the past 12 months and is still growing!Our future given this continuance of co-operation is assured. Other clubs faced with closure due to dwindling support should take note!
This message edited on Sat, 10 November 01 by Kev Owen
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We've done just about nothin' and we're running out of ideas!
http://www.goolerufc.co.uk |
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kevowen
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Sat, 10 November 01 17:23 GMT
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After attending yet another seminar on the subject of playing methods and the way forward (in the eyes of the "Establishment")Returning to my club I attempted to impart the views I had gleaned from the meeting to those concerned with coaching our senior sides. Imagine my dismay as I was faced with such utter 'closed mindedness'by those people charged with the responsibility of sustaining our teams performances against tougher and more 'professional sides' in our league(Yorks2 east)
Past ethos of running into contact,hitting the deck,presenting ball back,picking/driving etc were considered the accepted way of playing. NO THOUGHT OF avoiding CONTACT OR RELEASING THE BALL in CONTACT TO SUPPORT was to be entertained by those supposedly 'in the know'.
Talk about playing 60s 'straight down the middle' rugby in the 21st Century!
ANYWAY.......after losing out to some more forward thinking sides, we actually began to accept that the game is not only about contact but indeed the avoidance of the breakdown scenario! One or two new drills appeared in the coaching session, and we are now enjoying a greater amount of success against opposition sides. Our game is now more flowing in its makeup, and crowd attendances at matches are improving as is the general feeling of well being at the club.
My point?..........Get involved with your Juniors....they are your 'lifes blood!'
There is now regular and meaningful dialougue between the Minis/juniors and our Senior club. Exchanges of training methods and a greater involvement of senior players in the coaching of the youngsters is now commonplace. Our young player base has increased from 40 to nearly 120 in the past 12 months and is still growing!Our future given this continuance of co-operation is assured. Other clubs faced with closure due to dwindling support should take note!
This message edited on Sat, 10 November 01 by Kev Owen
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We've done just about nothin' and we're running out of ideas!
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