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pauldg
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Thu, 14 February 08 09:13 GMT
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>glad you werent around when I was coaching under 11,s
Who's the "you" here?
>I found coaching the kids on the park while reffing the game a lot more effective than sending them off, YC or what ever
In England a yellow card isn't an option at U12 or below - all a referee can do is ask the coach to substitute a player.
>so I suggest some of you wake up and smell the coffee here
Again, who are you addressing and what do you mean?
Rucking a player is illegal at all levels of the game. As society referees we are instructed to being our "thought process" with a red card and work down if we consider there was no intent, etc.
Are you suggesting coaching U11s to ruck a player is OK and we should just ignore it? Or are you agreeing it's a serious matter?
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ballsie
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Thu, 14 February 08 04:26 GMT
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glad you werent around when I was coaching under 11,s
I found coaching the kids on the park while reffing the game a lot more effective than sending them off, YC or what ever so I suggest some of you wake up and smell the coffee here
Like you said these are ten year olds and for what its worth shouldnt this thread be some where else
bye
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pauldg
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Wed, 13 February 08 22:05 GMT
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>At U.11, a PK just doesn't cut it. We need zero tolerance at this age group. First instance, as YC is not an option, ask the coach to replace the offending player and explain the error of his ways.
This isn't about penalising the player - no U11 will give a player on the ground a "good shoeing" unless they've been coached to do it.
The *coach* is the problem here.
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the whistleblower
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Wed, 13 February 08 20:56 GMT
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Everyone, we are talking about U.11 for goodness' sake!!!!
iRB law clarifications make it clear that boots on bodies are illegal at International level and every level below, and should be severely punished. Anywhere near a joint, head or groin is certainly a yellow card, quite possibly a red - at International level! Any deliberate shoeing should always be yellow.
At U.11, a PK just doesn't cut it. We need zero tolerance at this age group. First instance, as YC is not an option, ask the coach to replace the offending player and explain the error of his ways. If the coach either doesn't know or couldn't care less about the error of his ways, make a report to the Child Protection Officers of both clubs.
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miniref
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Wed, 13 February 08 13:23 GMT
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gerard_jenkins
"deliberately encouraging players to move out of the way with use of the boot is too dangerous at this age. "
- it's dangerous and illegal at ANY age.
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gerard_jenkins
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Wed, 13 February 08 11:49 GMT
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Dan,
You're not wrong. I'd speak to coach before hand for him to pass on to his team that deliberate action of this kind will result in a PK.
Obviously there are times when players get trod on accidentally but deliberately encouraging players to move out of the way with use of the boot is too dangerous at this age. Firstly the execution and secondly the impact it has on the player being moved. If they and their team mates are relatively new to the game they may still be coming to terms with the rules. If rucking with boots is being coached then it would suggest the team may be technically proficient at ruck approach and really shouldn't need to employ this tactic.
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ballsie
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Wed, 13 February 08 07:36 GMT
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This message edited on Wed, 13 February 08 by ballsie
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ballsie
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Wed, 13 February 08 07:36 GMT
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this is most definetly a coaching issue as well as a referee bone of contention
The law is quite clear NO BOOTS ON BODIES, although it does happen accidentally or intentionally there is no difference.
A well coached side will make the tackle, release the ball and both tackler and tacklee roll away leaving the ball there to be played with.
A well exectuted ruck should result in quick ball out the back and not boots on bodies, may I suggest the boots on bodies scenario is the result of a pile up and the quicker you blow the better not forgeting its up to you when the ball becomes unplayable and of course you have your magic whistle, blow it and the ball always appears
when you are reffing it talk it aloud to the players for example tackle tackle release roll away ruck hands out no quick ball and blow they will soon get its sorted under 11,s learn quite quickly but as stated in previous post no boots on bodies full stop, get the players to play the ball
basical be proactive to the situation and try and prevent it from happening like Ian says keep them on there feet and encourage open rugby
This message edited on Wed, 13 February 08 by ballsie
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ctrainor
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Tue, 12 February 08 21:09 GMT
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Isn't that the law full stop!!
Penalty.
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ian davies
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Tue, 12 February 08 19:34 GMT
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Hi Dan,
The Under 19 law variations that referees apply is that there is no boots on bodies.
At Continuum level I can see how rucks occur as some players are not skilled enough to follow the tackle sequence.
I find that if players follow the sequence and referees are up with play and communicate effectively to players then the game is open with few rucks.
Use your pre match brief to clarify this with the coaches and players
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Dan Cottrell
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Tue, 12 February 08 17:08 GMT
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Something I have posted on the betterrugbycoaching forum, but would like others to comment as well:
I am refereeing an u11 game this weekend and have been told that one of the sides sometimes uses "rucking with boots".
I am well aware of the law, but I don't think it is appropriate as a method at this age group and probably up to u16. Am I wrong?
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