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HighsideUK
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Wed, 30 April 08 12:59 GMT
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So to summarise.
He must not throw, the ball forwards.
He must not knock the ball forwards with his hand.
He must not hand it forwards to another player.
He must not use his hand to slide it forwards along the floor.
Dropping/handing/throwing/ pushing/sliding/fumbling/ juggling backwards/downwards/upwards or sideways are all fine!
The location of the goal line is a complete red herring and has no bearing whatsoever on any of this.
This is actually a nice simple part of the Laws.
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didds
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Wed, 30 April 08 11:17 GMT
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even if he grounded the ball behind him eg just behind his rear foot? And the ball didn't move?
I think there's a clue in the wording of "knock FORWARD" or "FORWARD pass" ;-)
What he cannot do (and it is specifically described in LoTG) is HAND the ball to a teammate in front of him even though he never actually lets go until the ball is under control by the second player. But that's a specific example - placing the ball on the ground is not covered specifically so some common sense needs to be applied. Did the ball move forward as a reult of the placement? No? Then no knock-on.
didds
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jdzamosc
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Tue, 29 April 08 23:15 GMT
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Whistleblower
What if the player is on their feet and has not been tackled?
I assume from your answer c) once the player has grounded the ball in front, as long as the ball does not go forward then you are saying it is not a knock on?
I have always assumed if the ball is grounded by a player in the field of play then it is a knock on, regardless if he has kept his hand on the ball.
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the whistleblower
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Tue, 29 April 08 19:09 GMT
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highside - you are correct.
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HighsideUK
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Tue, 29 April 08 14:25 GMT
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Wouldn't
a) he slides the ball forward along the ground and releases it beyond the 5m line. This is a PK to the defence under Law 15.5d.
be a PK even if it was the try line?
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the whistleblower
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Mon, 28 April 08 17:24 GMT
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On poorly-marked pitches, players will often try to score behind the 5m line rather than the goal-line. So at a tackle 50cm behind the 5m line, with a player suffering from such a misperception, there are a number of possibilities:
a) he slides the ball forward along the ground and releases it beyond the 5m line. This is a PK to the defence under Law 15.5d.
b) he reaches forward in the air, and places the ball beyond the 5m line. The ball stays exactly where he put it until played by another player. This is fine under law 15.5c - play continues.
c) he reaches forward and as he puts the ball down beyond the 5m line, it edges forward. This is a knock-on, for which advantage may be sought. If it moves backwards after being placed, no problem obviously.
The fact of the player's geographical misapprehension is irrelevant, just as it would be if he kicked direct to touch from behind the half-way line, believing it to be the 22m line.
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jdzamosc
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Mon, 28 April 08 17:03 GMT
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Sorry, he has grounded the ball and then let go
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didds
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Mon, 28 April 08 11:28 GMT
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in this description he hasn't let go of the ball so how could it be a knock on?
didds
This message edited on Mon, 28 April 08 by didds
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jdzamosc
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Mon, 28 April 08 09:47 GMT
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If a player is disorientated especially a youth player and he attempts to score a try behind the wrong line well short of the try line, is this a knock on?
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