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mark.yeomans@uk.ibm.com
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Thu, 01 May 08 16:36 GMT
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In a Under 16 game – the shout of “he is off side” came from the attacking side coaching team during a penalty kick – within 10 mins of the kick off
The penalty Kick had been kicked from the 22 about 15 inside the pitch - the kick went 30 m high and into the car park – the winger was in front of the ball ………… was that material? – did it impact the clearing kick ?
So yes he was off side – but I wasn’t going to act on it – I asked the coach onto the pitch – explained that by suggesting to his players that I was missing issues that impacted their pitch position wasn’t helping me or his players and suggested that he controlled his coaching team. I also said that our conversation – 10 mins into the match was an issue of prevention – as I didn’t want his team making the same suggestion latter in the match in a pressure situation.
He took my point of view – talked to his team of coaches and parents and we played on …in the bar he told me it was a fair call.
So if it helps the management of the game – at the junior level – use the coach to manage the situation – and to prevent situations
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markrugby
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Thu, 01 May 08 16:36 GMT
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In a Under 16 game – the shout of “he is off side” came from the attacking side coaching team during a penalty kick – within 10 mins of the kick off
The penalty Kick had been kicked from the 22 about 15 inside the pitch - the kick went 30 m high and into the car park – the winger was in front of the ball ………… was that material? – did it impact the clearing kick ?
So yes he was off side – but I wasn’t going to act on it – I asked the coach onto the pitch – explained that by suggesting to his players that I was missing issues that impacted their pitch position wasn’t helping me or his players and suggested that he controlled his coaching team. I also said that our conversation – 10 mins into the match was an issue of prevention – as I didn’t want his team making the same suggestion latter in the match in a pressure situation.
He took my point of view – talked to his team of coaches and parents and we played on …in the bar he told me it was a fair call.
So if it helps the management of the game – at the junior level – use the coach to manage the situation – and to prevent situations
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didds
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Thu, 01 May 08 10:03 GMT
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I'd take the line that if its a neutral venue, then the orgainsers have the responsibility for crowd behaviour as previously described. In this case presumably the CB.
didds
This message edited on Thu, 01 May 08 by didds
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MicEy7$d5
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Wed, 30 April 08 18:14 GMT
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Thanks for the comments guys . Problem we had was the finals day was played at a neutral venue and whilst i accept some of the comments about the changes in the professional game i think with some subtle help from grass root level refs maybe speaking with oppostion spectaters. I think the younger the age group being refereed the easier it may be to educate the parents. Nip it in the bud as early as possible.
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the whistleblower
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Tue, 29 April 08 19:08 GMT
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OB is correct that the ref is usually unwise to take on a crowd, but he's not completely powerless. The home side is responsible for crowd control; the ref can refuse to continue the game until the home side properly exercise their obligations. I do this quite often when the crowd is too close to the touchline, but wouldn't consider it for anything like unsporting behaviour.
At one club near me, when reffing a vets game you get a howl of "Offside, Ref!" at the kick-off. Every susbequent decision is cheered or jeered depending on which way it goes. The best way to deal with this is by joining in the banter. Not an option, of course, in the case of bad-mannered noise at kicks, but players need to get used to this sort of thing - the days of respectful silence have, I fear, passed.
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ob
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Tue, 29 April 08 14:25 GMT
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The referee has no control over the crowd. Attempting to quieten them would probably backfire, as happened in the USA when the NFL decided to penalise teams if the crowd tried to prevent on-field calls being heard. The NFL had to back down.
I prefer the crowd to keep quiet, but I have heard kickers at top level say they find complete quiet disconcerting. At my level it is probably only a dog barking.
The All Blacks took a different approach at one Twickenham international. As Wilkinson was lining up a penalty kick, their replacements came off the bench to "warm up" by running up and down behind the dead ball line at that end. The crowd noticed it and booed loudly. Jonny kicked the goal. Strangely enough the ABs did not repeat the performance in the second half (when they were kicking at that same goal).
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dutch
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Tue, 29 April 08 13:52 GMT
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My sympathies. Not necessary and is not wanted in the game. Sadly though it happens at top flight and as rugby changes with the professional game and new folk are attracted to it so crowd behaviour will change. Last season at u11 our kicker was taking a conversion and the oppo team charged (as allowed)and our kicker missed. Some of the oppo team laughed and jeered and the ref (from their club) allowed a re-kick which we got and won us the game for unsporting behaviour!!!
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dutch
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Tue, 29 April 08 13:52 GMT
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My sympathies. Not necessary and is not wanted in the game. Sadly though it happens at top flight and as rugby changes with the professional game and new folk are attracted to it so crowd behaviour will change. Last season at u11 our kicker was taking a conversion and the oppo team charged (as allowed)and our kicker missed. Some of the oppo team laughed and jeered and the ref (from their club) allowed a re-kick which we got and won us the game for unsporting behaviour!!!
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MicEy7$d5
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Tue, 29 April 08 12:55 GMT
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Witnessed a rather disturbing display at the weekend at our local county finals at junior level. Oppostion crowd quite blatently shouting as our kicker commenced his run up for two penalty attempts whilst the game was at a crucial stage. Question is can /should the referee intervene to stop this type of behaviour. Ie warn the crowd as to their behaviour. I spoke to and aired my disappointment to the oppostion coach . For one brief second i thought i was at a football match. A sad state of affairs if the game is going that way in my opinion. It clearly displayed a lack of respect and knowledge of the game from some of the parents/supporters. I would never publicy criticise the referee as without them we would not have the great game we have. I have seen some good refs this year interacting and communicating to the young junior players some of the decision making processes, which i find refreshing . Any chance that can be extended to the crowd to some degree. I suspect the referee ca submit a post match report to the relevant area body raising such issues? any comments off any refs ?
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