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Oldmanmartin
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Wed, 14 May 08 21:38 GMT
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I agree with you both. Either way round it's a tautology. And a common one, in both senses of the word. By the way, did you ever hear of the forwards collapsing? The pack or a scrum can collapse, but each has a different connotation.
Is 'the Australian pack' an oxymoron? 'The Australian pack scrummaged well' certainly is.
This message edited on Wed, 14 May 08 by Oldmanmartin
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HighsideUK
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Wed, 14 May 08 21:05 GMT
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Do I say "Pack of forwards"? I don't thinks so.... Let's try,...
Our pack of forwards was better than theirs.
Our pack of forwards won us the game.
The two packs of forwards were evenly matched.
The Australian pack of forwards performed well.
Nope. All of those sound wrong but these sound right
Our pack was better than theirs.
Our pack won us the game.
The two packs were evenly matched.
The Australian pack performed well.
Or change to
Our forwards were better than theirs.
Our forwards won us the game.
The forwards were evenly matched.
The Australian forwards performed well.
Even if you said something like "Our pack of forwards was hunting like a pack of wolves" I still think it sounds clumsy and would be better without the "of forwards".
Can you think of an example when "pack of forwards" or "forward pack" cannot be collapsed to "pack"?
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ob
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Wed, 14 May 08 17:28 GMT
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Do you use the phrase "pack of forwards"? A quick google shows that "forward pack" is more common.
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HighsideUK
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Wed, 14 May 08 12:29 GMT
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A lighthearted thread this one....
A quote I have just read.....
"Gatland said: "... we can just about put out just the same forward pack we put out during the Six Nations"
Does it jar with anyone else when someone talks about their "forward pack"?
It sounds to me a bit like talking about the "top roof" on your house. What other type of "pack" is there? A back pack?
It's a tautology.
(As opposed to "Australian pack" - which is an oxymoron)
This message edited on Wed, 14 May 08 by HighsideUK
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