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zackly
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Tue, 04 November 08 11:35 GMT
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And hence, since they do NOT apply to Junior Rugby in RFU-Land, ELVs 2 & 3 qualify as RFU Variations (from Adult rugby) for Junior Rugby - as advised in RFU Presentation in September.
Adults may now join a Maul with head & shoulders below hips and pull down a Maul. Juniors in RFU-Land may do neither of these things.
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the whistleblower
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Tue, 04 November 08 10:09 GMT
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Zackly, I think you mis-wrote that. ELVs 2 & 3, along with the scrum wheel turnover ELV, are the only ones DISAPPLIED by the RFU for Juior rugby.
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zackly
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Mon, 03 November 08 13:57 GMT
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Y'all. IMO only ELVs 2 & 3 qualify as Variations authorised by RFU for Junior Rugby.
ELV 12 (SH offside lines) applies to all levels. (and it's Example b of ELV 12 that misleads us about the revised Laws).
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ob
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Thu, 30 October 08 16:53 GMT
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I don't see that the new ruling affects the current understanding of where the defending scrum half can stand at the throw-in. It merely corrects the incorrect example given in the ELV Guide, and brings the situation into line with what the law actually says.
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the whistleblower
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Thu, 30 October 08 16:13 GMT
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Didds: the offside line for the SH is (until the iRB changes its mind yet again) a line running through the hind feet of the scrum. This line extends across the entire pitch, so the SH can be anywhere along that line on either side of the scrum, as long as he is not ahead of the #8's back foot.
I don't think the ruling is yet up on the iRB site. When it is, we'll have to think about what, if anything, this does to our understanding of where the defending SH can stand at the time of the put-in.
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didds
- scrumtime@hotmail.com
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Thu, 30 October 08 15:59 GMT
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"Yes. As long as he doesn't come past his No8, *his* offside line"
ah... does that mean then that he can;t then act as a defnder on a similar line on the other side of his own scrum?
e.g. he is on the RHS of his scrum, but cannot take up a defensive position to the left - as this woud mean moving behind his own number eight to do so?
(talk about a halfway house interpretation!)
didds
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ian davies
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Thu, 30 October 08 13:01 GMT
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I am on hols at moment and master is on my work PC so will need to make update to scrum half offside next week.
I downloaded pdf to my home PC last week no problem. The RFU website is nearly as bizarre as IRB decision making process!
This message edited on Thu, 30 October 08 by ian davies
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simonthomas
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Wed, 29 October 08 17:29 GMT
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Yes Didds - RFU are open mouthed that IRB has gone full circle and now agreed this interpretation, after all the hassle they gave us in August about the 'must stay 1 metre to scrum', which incorporated into the RFU ELV presentation decks.
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pauldg
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Wed, 29 October 08 09:52 GMT
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>simon - just picked up on your post... so... now the SH can patrol anywhere behind a line through the readr scrummager's feet?
Yes. As long as he doesn't come past his No8, *his* offside line now extends across the whole pitch and is (generally) 5m ahead of the backs.
(Lots of people feel the IRB really, really needs to get its collective act together on ELV issues.)
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didds
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Wed, 29 October 08 08:53 GMT
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simon - just picked up on your post... so... now the SH can patrol anywhere behind a line through the readr scrummager's feet?
And my concerns over SH defending the blind side of a scrum w/out this option were obviously corect ? (*preen preen*)
;-) <------------------
didds
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simonthomas
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Mon, 27 October 08 20:06 GMT
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That is not a valid url (web address). The 20% stuff indicates there is a 'gap' blank
go into www.hantsrefs.org.uk and go through the menu to Youth and the file manually.
The Hants Ref Youth matrix will shortly be changed anyway following Friday's IRB scrum half offside clarification (what a bunch of jokers they are with yet another change). Defending SH does not have to stay within 1m as long he is behind back foot !
This message edited on Mon, 27 October 08 by simonthomas
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the whistleblower
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Mon, 27 October 08 10:53 GMT
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I also get "The page cannot be found" Get the real deal from here:
http://www.hantsrefs.org.uk/Youth/HRURS_Yout h%20Age%20Group%20Guide_08-09_ELV's.pdf
This message edited on Mon, 27 October 08 by the whistleblower
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Nigib3
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Sat, 25 October 08 22:42 GMT
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works ok for me.
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zackly
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Sat, 25 October 08 14:02 GMT
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ian davies. Tried to open your attachment but had response << The Page Cannot Be Found >>.
Also could still not upload my own Summary Table as an Attachmnet.
Is it my pc - or can no-one get to the info ?
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ian davies
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Fri, 24 October 08 15:31 GMT
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Hi Everyone,
I know that a number of Societies use the Youth Guide that appears on Hampshire Referees website.
I have incorporated ELV's and attached for Referees, Coaches and Clubs to use.
If there are any mistakes please let me know so that I can rectify.
Have a good weekend
xAttachment: HRURS_Youth_Age_Group_Guide_08-09_ELV's.pdf |
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zackly
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Fri, 17 October 08 11:11 GMT
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mark yeomans. 'fraid not. It was/is of my own making and for the U19-U13 Age Groups. See rugbyrefs website listed below.
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mark.yeomans@uk.ibm.com
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Mon, 06 October 08 14:27 GMT
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was it this one ??
xAttachment: ELVs_in_Mini_&_Midi_Game2008.pdf |
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zackly
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Tue, 23 September 08 10:39 GMT
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Thanks Whistleblower. SUMMARY Table now posted at http://www.rugbyrefs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5876.
This Forum Topic STILL unable to post an Attachment. Shambles, or what ? !
Almost puts the admin standard of the iRB ELVs to shame !!
This message edited on Tue, 23 September 08 by zackly
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zackly
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Fri, 19 September 08 14:04 GMT
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whistleblower. Thanks. I've posted it at Rugby Referees' Forum at http://www.rugbyrefs.com/forums/index.php
I hope some find it useful - oh! and accurate !
I despair of the RFU !
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the whistleblower
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Sat, 13 September 08 19:47 GMT
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Zackly, if you post each failure on this thread until the RFU take any notice, the document will eventually lose its relevance.
Why not upload it to www.rugbyrefs.com/forums, and post a link here?
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zackly
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Sat, 13 September 08 11:27 GMT
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Saturday 13 SEP.
STILL unable to upload my Junior Rugby Summary Table as an Attachment.
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gerard_jenkins
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Thu, 11 September 08 17:26 GMT
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Zackly, any chance of emailing it to me directly at gerard_jenkins@hotmail.com
Thanks in advance
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zackly
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Thu, 11 September 08 11:12 GMT
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THURSDAY 11 SEP - and STILL unable to upload my Junior Rugby Summary Table as an Attachment.
And not even an acknowledgement, never mind a reply, from The Webmaster.
How very very disappointing ! Perhaps it's just me ?
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the whistleblower
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Mon, 08 September 08 22:50 GMT
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Zacly, the "technical difficulty" is that this whole website is rubbish. The RFU should be ashamed of it - but I doubt they are!
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zackly
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Mon, 08 September 08 14:15 GMT
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Others may find the Attached summary table useful - reflecting also the RFU ban on iRB ELVs 2 & 3.
Sorry - the website's Attachment tool isn't working due to "technical difficulties"
This message edited on Mon, 08 September 08 by zackly
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